Hi there

I know, my first post and a topic, that is that tough...

Unfortunately, I guess the reason why I came to occupy myself with Klaus' books so much is the state I'm in right now... yes, lovesickness... I just can't get over it and I remeber I've never ever wanted to be in this state again, so I've been searching for opportunities to be independent from other's attention and love for a very long time...

So, folks... does your practice help you being independent from other's attention and love? 'cause I know I'm doing quite weird things to get other's attention and it does not help to be loved by them, but it helps to annoy them...

You know if I don't try to get their attention, I'm feeling bad, and if I do and realize it annoys them, I'm feeling bad, too... so I thought, yeah, Klaus's practice might help me getting out of this... but, I don't feel anything... I'm doing the meditation (friend of mine offers a quite good one in German, like it better than Klaus' es ) quite every day... but... I don't feel it...

Maybe you got some tricks for me?

*hugs*

EDiT: You know, sometimes I think one of the problems with this is... you actually don't think you're able to feel love "out of nowhere"... you know what I mean? From the beginning we are taught that there is... you know some kind of love that we feel for our parents, brother, sister... maybe one's pet... and then, there is this great feeling of love for "one special person" and we're taught this special person "releases" this feeling of love... and that's why we're so addicted to this person... so... how to come out of this? ('cause I think actually it is not better to have that person "re-love" you... it just makes it a bit less hurting, but if this person doesn't love you anymore... it will all end up in lovesickness... with me right know it's just the person not "re-loving" me and feeling hurt sooner... )

If you only take love/energy from people, and dont send energy in return, you are an energy vampire.
Very many people are energy Vampires.
If you send out positive energy, and dont drain other peoples energy, they will automatically like you, and search your company.

About energy Vampires (which is in my opinion a very interesting concept to understanding social dynamics):

(Taken from Ideagasms.net)

ideaGasms(R) - Welcome To The Front Lines Of Dating,
S E X, And Relationship Consciousness.


"Energy Vampires"
by Stephane Hemon



The main problem that people have when it comes to getting
their love life together is that they GIVE AWAY THEIR POWER.

Most people give away their power to a certain extent,
and this article contains the blueprint that you'll need
to become aware of WHOM you're giving your power away to
and HOW you're giving it away.

Awareness is the key, because until you become aware of
something, you are on auto-pilot.

So what is an Energy Vampire?

Well, they don't usually suck your blood; what they do is
they suck your ENERGY.

Chances are high that your life is filled with these types
of people. My guess is that you'll see your parents in these
descriptions, you'll see some of your friends, lovers,
and perhaps even yourself.

Actually, MOST humans are "energy vamps", it's just a
matter of degree. And with all "personal problems",
AWARENESS is the only cure.

When dealing with an Energy Vampire, you can feel it
instantly.

You will get a feeling in the Solar-Plexus Chakra (in
the "upper-belly" region), which is linked to our emotional
body and central nervous system.

(Otherwise known as a "gut feeling" or an intuition.)

There are 5 main types of Energy Vampires that I am
presently aware of -

- The POOR ME
- The Aloof
- The Interrogator
- The Intimidator
- The Boaster and Bragger


These people usually leave us feeling tired; they drain our
energy and self-esteem. And worse, we cannot get them out of
our heads afterwards! We tend to re-play the conversation in
our head, telling ourselves that we should have said "this"
or "that" instead...


Energy Vampire #1 - The "POOR ME"

These people drain your energy by complaining, and sometimes
implying that you are somehow responsible for their troubles.

When in the presence of this person, you will find yourself
feeling guilty, even though deep down you know that their life
challenges aren't your fault. You'll feel as though you need
to defend against the idea that you're not giving or doing enough
for this person.

Many people use their misfortunes in life to gain sympathy.
They want to talk about the suffering they've endured, or about
the mistreatment of their parents, or about their illness, or
some other deprivation or failure.

These people see the world as UNFAIR, and avoid taking
responsibility. And, they want YOU to hear all about it! They focus
on negative energy in order to STEAL energy (attention, sympathy,
pity, etc.).

When something traumatic happens, it's okay to obtain support.
With time, you heal and learn the lessons that are involved
(assuming that you can take responsibility).

But when people use their life's suffering as a way to gain
pity and attention (YOUR energy), you need to learn how to shield
from that.

When dealing with a "poor me", the best way to help them is
to see if they can help themselves. Are they willing to look
at the role that THEY have played in creating their own reality?

Can they take response-ability?

If they can't handle the truth, if they are too stuck in their
heads to view themselves objectively and without getting defensive, I
have learned to simply tell them that I am BUSY.

Because the truth is that we ARE too busy to have our energy
drained by people with the victim mentality.


Energy Vampire #2 - The "Aloof"

These people act emotionally distant, usually in response to
having had overbearing or controlling parents.

They are withdrawn, and see the world as overwhelming and
threatening. They are often distrustful and suspicious of others
motives, and people describe them as being "shy" or even "snobby".

Someone who is aloof is PRETENDING that they don't care what
others think. It is a FAKE social mask, designed to give them
the "upper hand".

On a more global scale, they are the "innocent" or apathetic
bystanders who take little or no responsibility in shaping our
world.

You know you're in the presence of an Aloof person when you
find yourself doing all the talking, and asking question after
question, trying to get them to come out of their shell.

They will contribute very little to the conversation. This is
exactly where they want you, because it gives them a feeling of
control.
This is how they get attention, validation, and your energy.

You'll probably feel inadequate or "less than", as if something
is inherently wrong with you. Again, you'll feel discomfort
in the Solar-Plexus Chakra (upper belly).

If you complain, they will often just give you the SILENT TREATMENT.

MOST of today's so-called "attractive women" are aloof, and
knowing how to spot them, and training them to open up, is crucial.

A lot of guys ask me, "Where do you draw the line between working on
your "game" versus just walking away from somebody who is no good for
you? How do you know for certain that it wasn't your "game" (or lack
thereof)?"

Most of the time when they ask me this, I know that they're
dealing with a woman who is quite aloof.

Personally, I draw the line when a woman makes me feel insignificant
or un-worthy of her time.

Do you have high self-esteem?

Good! You may now say the words, "It's not ME, it's HER."


Energy Vampire #3 - The "Interrogator"

Interrogators used to be my personal "pet peeve" when I didn't
know how to handle them.

It is because they ask questions that aren't sincere - they
really DO NOT want to hear your views, but instead, they use
questions to BREAK DOWN your views and try to make you doubt
yourself.

Interrogators are (initially) difficult to detect, because they
are perfectionists; These people see the life as a competitive
GAME and they are quite masterful when it comes to manipulating
others.

Their philosophy? "Life is just a game - You either play by
the rules, or you're a loser." They see the world as Win/Lose
instead of Win/Win.

It's been said that the greatest illusion of "Satan" lied in
his ability to make people believe he didn't exist.

That's a great metaphor for explaining what Interrogators do to
people, because when you spot an Interrogator and try to gently point
out what he or she is doing, they too will pretend that they are
innocent and that this heavily ingrained and entirely OBVIOUS pattern
of behavior does not exist.

Then they will turn around and casually remark that there is
something wrong with YOU. They'll go, "Why would you say that?
Why are you so PARANOID, huh?" (Notice they are not really asking a
question, but rather, making a statement about you.)

Or they will accuse you of being "too sensitive"...
as if *sensitivity* was a bad thing!

Interrogators undermine other people's reality, usually by making
insincere comments (such as a "neg" or subtle put-down) or by
asking lots of rhetorical questions, and trying to find the
weak points in what people are saying and doing.

MANY of the top "seduction community guru's" are simply
INTERROGATORS. This is why they "play the game" and have
all sorts of complicated "chess moves" and strategies for
interacting with women. They have a HIDDEN AGENDA.

(There is nothing wrong with having "game" insofar as you aren't
actively lying to people IMO.)

Crooked sales people, lawyers, politicians, and other business
criminals are often Interrogators as well. They are very clever
people, but "clever" doesn't impress me. SINCERITY does; now THAT
takes real courage and Heart.

Interestingly, they probably had ALOOF PARENTS. Aloof parents often
"create" interrogator children. It's the child's way of
getting the parent to pay attention to them.

Interrogators also offer a lot of "unsolicited advice". They
want to tell you what you "should" and "shouldn't" do, be, think,
and feel, even though you didn't ask for any advice. So they can be
quite arrogant!

They ask a lot of rhetorical questions, and often play "Devil's
advocate". But, the questions they ask are not questions at all!
It is their attempt to break down your reality in the form of
negative presuppositions about you.

Do you know what a "pointed question" is? Here is an example -

"Why would you do/say/think/be/choose that?!"

That's NOT an actual question. It is a comment about your
inferiority.

If they were honest people, they would say,
"Why would you do/say/think/be/choose that YOU STUPID IDIOT?!"

Again, you will know when you're being interrogated when you
get that uncomfortable feeling at the midline (Solar-Plexus
Chakra).

This is what happens when people try to manipulate us, and I don't
know about you guys, but I certainly trust my own gut instincts a lot
more than I'll ever trust another human bieng... I trust ME FIRST!

Again - you will sense that they are asking you questions, but NOT
out of a sincere desire to understand your point of view, but out of
a desire to tear down your reality to suit their needs.

"Why would you say that?!"

"Why would you take that class in college?!"

"What's the matter with you?!"

Note that those aren't "questions" at all. If you look closer,
they are coming right out and telling you that you're STUPID.

You see, they aren't interested in other people's wisdom, although
they're good at ACTING as though they are!

You'll often hear them say, "I'm just trying to help you." But
helping you is usually the last thing on their minds. They are
attempting to dominate and control you, but DISGUISING it as
"help."

They do this out of a need to feel important, superior, and
stronger because deep down, they're really afraid that they
are inferior. That's what "machismo" really is - it is fear-based
fake confidence.

They want to be seen as "alpha", or ABOVE other people. This
is why the 'seduction community' often talks about having "Higher
Value". Psychiatrists label them with "Narcissistic Personality
Disorder" and joke among themselves that there are none because they
never come to therapy.

"Higher Value" doesn't exist, except on a material level. We all have
the same "value", we're all equals - the only difference between us is
what we do with the 24 hours that "Creator" gives us. Interrogators do
not understand what the word Honor means because they're identified
purely with Ego.


Evergy Vampire #4 - The "Intimidator"

While Interrogators see life as a GAME, INTIMIDATORS see life
as a WAR. As such, Intimidators are easy to spot.

These are the macho's, the control freaks, the bullies, the
paranoids, the authoritarians, the "alpha males", the rage-aholics
- you name it.

The reason they act this way, just like with all of the energy
vampire types, is out of FEAR. They are afraid that others are trying
to take their power away from them and that they won't be loved or get
what they want. Very often they are still playing out
an old unresolved childhood sexual abuse drama.

(ALL abuse is sexual abuse, simply because we are sexual beings. If
your mother held you in her arms and secretly wished that you had not
been born, THAT is sexual abuse!)

They intimidate others into giving them money, love, attention,
etc. by being judgmental, smart-alecky, cocky, sarcastic, aggressive,
dominant, loud, angry, violent, self-centered, etc.

When in the presence of other Intimidators, the interaction
can often escalate to arguments and violence.

An interesting thing happens with Intimidators. When they notice
that they aren't able to control or bully you into submission,
they will often SWITCH into a "Poor Me". Instead of using threats,
they might try to use guilt instead.

Poor Me's will also "switch" from time to time and become aggressive
when they are not getting the pity they are craving. Perhaps you can
remember a time when your "sweet" ex-girlfriend or boyfriend went
from crying and begging to RAGE and YELLING.

As such, an Aloof will often turn into an Interrogator, and an
Interrogator will often turn into an Aloof when they realize they
can't control you.

Poor Me's and Intimidators usually "evolve" into Aloof's and
Interrogators when you think about it. As they become more educated
and clever, they leave behind the old "Jerry Springer Show" mentality
and start manipulating people in more clever, suave, and subtle ways.


Energy Vampire #5 - The Boaster and Bragger

"Look at how cool, clever, and lovable I am!" is the unspoken
message that they want you to hear, as they go on and on and
on about their past accomplishments. More often than not, they
are LYING, or at least exaggerating.

Boasters and Braggers have deep-seated abandonment issues manifesting
itself as an addiction to approval and praise. You will find that
they usually had a mother or father who left them when
they were very young. If the parents didn't actually physically
leave them, they most certainly weren't very loving and emotionally
available.

By the way, in my opinion THIS is what the seduction community
really means when they teach their students to have a "routine-based
game". They encourage men to tell "canned stories". They want you
to lie, exaggerate, and brag about your accomplishments so you can
demonstrate your supposed "higher value".

And while there is nothing wrong with making yourself more
interesting by telling entertaining stories and jokes, I highly
recommend that you use your *OWN* stories and jokes. There is no need
to lie.

In fact, if you want to repel women and send them running, start
bragging.


How To Handle An Energy Vampire:

The same way we handle ALL of our relationships! "Unconditional Love
MINUS Putting Up With Crap (manipulation) = HAPPY!"

I personally advocate a Zero-Tolerance Approach to Dating and
Relationships. But, since most humans fall into one or more of the
above categories, I designed a tell-it-like-it-is relationship
program that I call "The Girlfriend Training Program".

> You can check it out right here -
http://www.ideagasms.net/ideagasms/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=83


As usual, before deciding to *ever* confront anyone under any
circumstances, I recommend letting go of Anger (which is an
unconscious state) and replacing it with Compassion (which is a
conscious, fully-awakened state of being).

If you have "The Girlfriend Training Program", you better be using
the 5D Compassion Formula BEFORE ever confronting or "training"
someone... I've been doing a lot of Phone Coaching recently, and I am
finding out that some of you never bothered to use it - lazy
dumbasses, you know who you are

Reading is NOT enough - *EXPERIENCE* is the only way to attain true
wisdom.

If anyone is interested in Phone Coaching, click here for info -
http://www.ideagasms.net/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=111


Again, with all of the above Energy Vampires, it is perfectly
okay to tell them that you are BUSY. Because you ARE too busy
to listen to garbage.

No need to JUDGE them, just send them lots of LOVE!
More than anything, Energy Vampires need love.

And by "love" I don't mean you should allow yourself to be
manipulated by them. But judging them doesn't help anyone either -
perhaps if they had more people who loved them in the first place,
they wouldn't be acting the way they are.

These psychological and energetic "blueprints" are based in
low self-esteem. If you have any of these energies within yourself
(you do, it's just a matter of degree), the cure is to LOVE
AND HONOR YOURSELF.

THE most challenging and "crazy" thing you will ever do is to love
yourself.

Namaste,
Stephane
www.ideagasms.net

PS - This article was inspired by "The Celestine Prophecy" by James
Redfield.

Easy,
Get this pendant it will help more than you know. It could pull you out of your "rut".

http://psychichelps.com/jn_anti-depression.htm


SL

Hi there... thank you for your answers

@ Monolith: I do think I'm an Energy Vampire too, but actually it's not on purpose to want others to give me energy or whatever... and for me right now it's just getting over the lovesickness and finally open my heart so I'm not an Energy Vampire anymore...! Klar soweit ?


@ SL: Sounds good, really... although I prefer the way "from the inside"... 'cause if I take meds or wear a ring... what's the difference? I mean, it's from the outside, you know? And if I stop wearing the ring or stop taking the meds everything's as it was before... guess I'd give it a try if I had those 139$ "left"...

Alles Klar!

Stick to your path, Easy.
Sometimes external stimulation is useful, sometimes not.
Choose what suits you.

Still trying to open my heart... folks, why is it that complicated if we're all love :-/?
Ok, maybe I just don't believe in it... and other people telling me "I've experienced it..." doesn't help of course... I'd need to feel it myself...
It's all right Soul Love, I thank you very much for your advice... I just wanted to have... you know some kind of advice I can afford, you know... and that maybe even helps me preventing happening the same things again and again...

Many people claim, they´ve openend their heart.
Dr. George King (a great yoga master) claims, that once you´ve fully opened your heart you are capable of levitation.

So, I think most people who say they opened their hearts(but havent experienced levitation) have PARTIALLY opened this energy center.
And this already helps to get some old issues out of the way, that are blocking the "love valve".
But really fully opening the heart is a long journey, which will finally lead to the rising of Kundalini.


@SL, nice to see you ´round here
have you already tried the jewelry of this page? the energizer ring looks cool.

blessings to all of you

Der Monolith,
The rings and pendants from that website are getting rave reviews from those of us online that are trying them. I ordered the Athelitc performance pendant and will have it at the end of July. So we will see, but so far, everyone loves them. The man who makes them seems to have the ability to infuse these items with power... and they do indeed work.

Easy,
One of the things when it comes to love, that I've read is that when we search for love, and I'm sure all of use do this in our lifetimes, so I'm including myself here. What we're really searching for is the ... love of God, even though we don't know this. Most people, or maybe only some people, find that soulmate that can really make us feel wonderful. But in the long run, at some point in time, we start the search again. If you dig really deep, you might "realize" this too, that the real love we wish to "have" is that of our creator, or God, or whomever you wish to call Him/Her/It... etc.

Maybe it's time to practice unconditional love to really get yourself somewhere or at least approach a place in your heart where you feel true love.

Another good idea is to practice meditation, since in this state your thoughts are calm and centered, from that place it's much eaiser to get the love feeling flowing.

SL

Wow! Easy, nice questions. Also you look very nicely in the way you comment on other people answers.

You do the most important thing -- you ask questions. And the answers are right around here.

one year ago Rick (Shalala) talked about "Imagining that everybody loves you". I didn't pay much attention to this idea at that time.

But then Louis (Tortue) also wrote about almost same experience of imagining that every girl in the school loves him!

It makes a lot of sense now. What you send out -- imagining that everybody loves you -- that is going to be what you create. Simple? Yep!!!

Another piece from Louis on this method.

Hi kostyazen

Thank you very much for your answer!

I've been reading through those topics and I was quite fascinated about the "results" others (especially Tortue ) experienced through love sending... still, there are no results in my world or maybe I just don't realize it

Does "feeling loved by everybody" also work without being in the "theta-state" as Tortue proposes? 'cause to be true I'd not know how to enter this state...

Guess that's the major problem... I can't imagine others to really love me... because I don't love myself, that way, there must be something wrong about people loving me (read the topic about that theme from "Chuchi" still I'm not sure if I made any improvements myself )
Or maybe part of the problem is, I can't others ("everybody") imagine to love me, because I don't "love" everybody myself... I mean there are also people out there I'm really having problems with :-/

PS: I know this doesn't belong here but somewhere (I don't even exactly remember where...) I found this description about erasing clouds... is it difficult ?

A lot of questions...
I´ll try to answer a few.

being in the theta state enhances i.m.o. every form of meditation.
to get in the theta state , you can use several techniques, I´m sure you´ll find some here: http://psychic101.com/
you can also try to get into the alpha state first, which is not as deep trance as theta.

but in General, feeling loved should also be possible in the normal state.



maybe you start filling yourself with love, before you focus on other people

The gadgets erasing clouds are called "Cloudbusters".
You´ll find it on google...

@ Der Monolith:

>>maybe you start filling yourself with love, before you focus on other people Very Happy <<

Guess you're right :-/ maybe it's the only way to solve all other things being concerned by not loving myself (enough/that much...)

Why is it so difficult to love oneself? I mean, I once read a book by... Cheri Huber, a buddhist and she said that we're "taught" not to love ourselves... our parents were taught to judge themselves, as their parents were and so on and on... guess it's time to break trough

Ok now... releaser of my problem didn't fall in love with me, but just some days ago I got to know he's just fallen in love with another girl... ouch ouch ouch... I'd beg you to send me some love, I know this is just a lesson and as it is not a new one maybe some love helps me overcoming this pattern finally (as right now... the overwhelming feeling is just... 'What a crap, all those meditations and... whatsoever you did through all the time when this last happened to you didn't help you prevent it happen again...')

A study showed that healers have better results when they are themselves feeling happy and loving, you can hear more about that in that Podcast http://media.libsyn.com/media/kellyhowell/TOTM_38LynneMcTaggart.mp3



Yep, I recently hear a best selling song the lyrics are very depressing they go like this:
You are Nobody Until Somebody Love you ! How crappy is that ?

@ Tortue:

>>Yep, I recently hear a best selling song the lyrics are very depressing they go like this:
You are Nobody Until Somebody Love you ! How crappy is that ?<<

Yes and that's the thing we're all taught from the beginning... that's the reason I guess why so many people are searching for a partner desperately... (or is it just that way here in Germany ?)

Thank you Tortue for the link, gonna listen to it

I think this conditioning of people to search on the outside for what they want is required by our (sick)society-system to work. If it wouldnt condition everyone to look for happyness/love etc. on the outside, more people would start meditating(searching on the inside).This would lead to Noone buying (that much)stuff anymore, consumation stagnating, material goods losing importancy.
And the leaders of our sick system would wonder and spin their heads ...

so In order to break the structure up, introspection is essential.

Best wishes to Easy, and may Tortue find his Nr.1 horse